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Ok sounds good. As for a bank maybe world savings... They do not charge very many service transaction fees... Same as wells fargo. But if we are going to do online sales we will need an online merchant account. And those are very expensive. I know wells fargo handles merchant accounts. But fees do cost a lot regardless. I am free to meet with you and whomever else can make it to discuss this further. I am at work now and will re-read the previous email when I'm off to come up with more idea's. give me a call...
467-4657
ian
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From: Chris Mooney <godsflaw@dod.net>
Reply-To: collective@dod.net
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2000 13:59:22 -0700
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>So we discussed a few things last night. Mostly about the distro
>because we need Matt and Moana to talk more about the label. So
>here is an overview of the distro model. There are allot of
>distros out there now. But we have some ideas that none of them
>do yet. This is enough reason to start on our own project. It is
>very important that I relay to you how bull shit we think
>competition is. Competition is something that we have all been
>brought up with as normal. Even told it's good. There are allot
>of evil thing that come out of competition and without going into
>much detail, we want to steer as far away from all of this as
>posable. One overall goal of dod.net has always been to relay the
>fact that if we do not embrace technology it will control us. By
>embracing technology we can control it. The Internet is one of
>the last sources of free speech we have left. Never before have
>we seen so much corporate interest. Because of this corporate
>interest the Internet is at risk of becoming just like every other
>media and information outlet. Since these entities have become so
>powerful and prevalent in our every day lives we have lost the
>ability to see a world free of there influence. Cultures and
>people have lost there lives to these monsters. Part of what the
>distro has the ability to do is show the scene that there is an
>alternative to the capitalist ideals we are use to. Some of the
>ideas we have had about the distro directly attack the normal way of
>behaving in a commerce environment. Right off we can see that
>purchasing things from a collective that benefits the start of
>more resources for the underground music scene is a different
>model then any of the other distros out there. And with the
>politics in the scene it has always been surprising that something
>like this has not already appeared. Another great resource we have
>is the Internet. Sure there are some distros that are selling
>there stuff online... but none that allow the customer to interact
>with the product. Lets run a small scenario.. You go to the distro
>page looking for something. Once you find what you want you have
>the ability to listen to the product on mp3's... Not one song or
>just the one you want to hear but the the whole album. You can
>make the decision of weather or not you want to buy it. If you do
>you can purchase it right there using a credit/debit card or some
>other online payment option like pay pal. You will also have the
>ability to read reviews on the music... Not from someone who
>wants you to buy it... But from what other people though about it.
>This way you know the review is not a sales pitch. You can even
>post your own review. Aside from that we can have a relational
>database that allows this music to be cross referenced with things
>like other releases from the same band.. So if you were looking
>at something like Fugazi it would point you in the direction of
>Minor Threat and Rights of Spring. This way you can look at and
>review more music that would be of interest to you. All of these
>things we can do. Sure it will be allot of work and we will start
>out with the basic site and then work on the better one. But it
>is all posable to do over the Internet. James and Ian you two
>should get together with me and anyone else interested in talking
>about the digital layout. We can talk about the user interface and
>what we can do with it. So this is the overview of what the
>distro can have that others don't. But it is also important we do
>the standard table at shows and mail order stuff. We came up with
>a few things we need to do. The idea is that we can delegate each
>task off to a collective member. Each person will take
>responsibility for something if they want to. If there are things
>left over we will just take care of them later. Here are the
>things we discussed last night. Since the distro is totally new
>and there has been no work put into it yet we have allot to do.
>
>01: We need to get a P.O. box. I have already started this for
>dod.net and it takes a hell of a long time. Jess will be working
>on getting the box.
>
>02: We need a bank account. This is also something that I will be
>doing with dod.net. So this task is all about me. I will try to
>find a bank that is smaller or local... The idea being that we are
>not charged an arm and a leg for incoming and out going
>transactions. I will also be looking for something that has
>online banking. This is a huge asset when it comes to account
>management.
>
>03: We need to figure out what sort of shipping methods we will
>use. This is important because whenever someone mail orders
>something they will be responsible for the shipping. The most
>automated way to do this is the best. This task is up in the air.
>We discussed easy ways to do this last night. Whoever does this
>will want to look @ other mail orders and see how they do it.
>Whatever we do it should be inexpensive shipping. Whoever wants
>this task, take it.
>
>04: We need to pick the music. This is a fun task and I think
>that Jess will also be working on it. Although she will be
>looking for any suggestions from all of you. The idea here is that
>Jess and whoever else would like to help are going to call the
>labels that are putting out th music. Once the bulk rates are
>figured out and the costs are all sorted Jess will order the music
>from each label. Hopefully we can set the distro up with some
>sort of wholesale account with most of these labels. On a related
>note and something that I didn't bring up last night. We should
>discuss with each possible band or label weather or not they would
>be into allowing there music to be converted to mp3. This is
>extremely important to the future of the underground music scene.
>I think we should only resell music that bands will give us the
>permission to put into mp3. Since this is part of the digital
>model we are working on it is very crucial that we can push the use
>of mp3's as a sales point. Some greedy corporations and bands are
>fighting the ability for people to use there mp3's on the
>Internet. Mp3's are a great tool that in a high-tech way can
>relate to the romantic idea of making someone a mix tape.
>Through the easy use and distribution of mp3's people can allow
>there music to be heard by everyone with a computer. This only
>facilitates the sale of music on traditional media. However there
>is the corporate misconception that there is revenue to be lost.
>One thing that it is important to do is show that corporate media
>and distribution is nothing more then large companies attempting
>to make a huge profit off of other peoples work. Music is all
>about being heard. If a band plays a show and no one is there to
>hear it... did the band ever really play? I can go on when it
>comes to mp3's for hours. I would like to answer any questions
>related to this though. Lets make sure the bands that we
>distribute understand that losing the ability to distribute
>digital media free of corporate intervention is the same as never
>being able to make your friends a mix tape. So back to the
>subject feel free to suggest ideas for music to Jess. Or help her
>if you like.
>
>04: The name. We have yet to figure out what name we would like
>to use. When this was originally planed we were going to make it
>"Distro ofThe Damned". Since we have changed the goal of dod.net
>to be a collective we would like to give everyone the opportunity
>to suggest names for the distro. In fact we would prefer not to
>use "Distro ofThe Damned" because it gives all of us mixed
>feelings about what the collective really stands for. So the name
>game is on. We had a few ideas floating around last night.. And
>allot of prerequisite for the name. I will not get too into the
>prerequisites... It just needs to be easy to spell, and catchy.
>We were also trying to do some more things but they were limiting
>our ideas. If posable try to suggest something that can work well
>with a URI ( eg. http://distro.dod.net/ ). Since this is the one
>thing we plan on offering that will make us stand out from the
>other distros. One idea I know we were talking about was
>something short and catchy.
>
>OX Distribution ( http://ox.dod.net/ )
>
>There were others but I was making everyone a vegan shake while
>they were being discussed. Please send any ideas to the list and
>we will put them all together and have a big vote on what we think
>it should be. If posable please throw in the reason why you
>think it should be called the name you chose.
>
>
>That is about it for now... If you get this far I am amazed.
>Sorry about the long message but we want to include everything to
>everybody. Let me know if you have any questions or comments about
>the information discussed here.
>
>Regards,
>Chris
>
>
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>On Wed, Oct 25, 2000 at 02:51:39PM -0700, ian wrote:
>>
>>
>> I have band practice until probably around 10pm tonight... So I might
>> be able to make it over there after that... I'll call later...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: Chris Mooney <godsflaw@dod.net>
>> Reply-To: collective@dod.net
>> Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2000 11:41:55 -0700
>>
>> >
>> >On Tue, Oct 24, 2000 at 02:52:41PM -0700, ian wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I would really dig lending some of my website design experience to this if its needed... =]
>> >
>> >Rad... So you want to work on the Distro/Label stuff with James?
>> >You guys will rip right through the project. We should all get
>> >together tonight around 9:00pm ( or you guys can meet earlier ).
>> >I will be home around 9:00pm tonight ( Wed Oct 25 2000 ). We can
>> >hook up at our house ( the 900 block ). The address is 915 32nd
>> >Ave. , Santa Cruz. Let us know if you can't make it.
>> >(831)465-9935.
>> >
>> >Chris
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> >> From: Chris Mooney <godsflaw@dod.net>
>> >> Reply-To: collective@dod.net
>> >> Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 13:47:57 -0700
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >Would you guys like to get together on Wednesday to discuss this
>> >> >project? Maybe around 9:30 or so.
>> >> >
>> >> >Chris
>> >> >
>> >> >On Mon, Oct 09, 2000 at 06:11:54PM -0700, Chris Mooney wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Aright so Matt and Rocky and Moana ( I think this is how I spell
>> >> >> your name ). You guys have a record label going that we would love to
>> >> >> put up on the page. If you can work on some content explaining more
>> >> >> about it and maybe putting together some rates we will put it up under
>> >> >> one of the sections of the site. Also if posable try and give everyone
>> >> >> a better idea about what is happening with the label and if you have any
>> >> >> other projects currently. I know that you are all interested in trying
>> >> >> to get a club going in Santa Cruz. Do you guys have any free time one
>> >> >> evening this week? If so we should all get together and hang out.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Chris
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >
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